Feb 172012
 
News! WOO! In case you haven’t heard, there was a MASSIVE update to the Mists of Pandaria talent calculator. See the bottom of this post for all the spell diffs for druids, as helpfully provided from MMO-Champion, but here’s my quick thoughts:

Talents:

Tier 1 – Wild Charge got moved here and out of Tier 4, which makes an incredible amount of sense; unfortunately, this makes having to choose between it and Feline Swiftness a tough choice for PvE. (I say unfortunately, but tough choices are a good thing.) I think it’s going to depend on the range of Wild Charge as to which I’ll prefer as a general recommendation. Also, Moonkin Disengage and caster Intervene is cool. Note that Feline Swiftness is now universal, not just Cat, but Cat has an innate 15%, which addresses one of the annoyances about Cat Form being the same speed as other forms for non-feral specs. With the addition of Wild Charge, Tireless Pursuit went away, which makes sense since it was essentially a Double Dash(TM).

Displacer Beast is still TBD. Does it break combat? Does it drop threat? Does it wipe dot effects? (My guess is no on the dot wipe, since it used to.) Either way, with a 3 minute cooldown, I don’t really see it being that useful compared to the other two.

Tier 2 – Nature’s Swiftness now is only a 1 minute cooldown, which makes it a much more compelling choice.  I see every spec taking NS for PvP (9 sec clone every minute, ouch) and Renewal for PvE. Cenarion Ward, again, is TBD; we don’t know how it will scale, so it’s hard to compare apples-for-apples with Renewal.

Tier 3 – Not too much of a change here; this tier is still about different forms of crowd control, which is going to make it wholly situational for PvE. I can’t really make a recommendation without knowing what Mists encounters are going to look like. PvP cats will likely want Faerie Swarm to help close gaps, though Typhoon is another good option for a peel; a good offensive/defensive tradeoff. Moonkin and Resto will likely stick with Typhoon due to its shorter cooldown, though Mass Entanglement could be fun in a Tol Barad-type zerg situation.

Tier 4 –  As we saw in the previous Tiers, your choices are going to be between a long-CD strong ability and a short-CD/passive ability. Incarnation is pretty meh for cats and bears (ferals don’t have a very compelling toolbox from Prowl right now, and guardians aren’t going to want a damage buff when the other options provide survivability), though it looks to be nice for casters. Force of Nature is, of course, TBD until we learn what the capabilities of the new treants are.

The new talent, Soul of the Forest, looks very nice for ferals; that 10 energy per finisher will add up quickly, and will definitely make the rotation more flexible. Good for Guardians and Balance as well, actually (remember, the reworking of the rage system means that increased rage income directly equals increased survivability), so the only class I see sticking with Incarnation is Resto and possibly Balance.

Tier 5 – More control. Bear Hug became baseline (bleh) so  apparently Bash had to go, and it becomes a talent choice instead. Ugh. Again, control is situational for PvE, so can’t say much there. The newly renamed Disorienting Roar remains wholly OP though (4 sec AOE disorient on a 30 sec cooldown? Really?) for PvP, so I don’t really see the others competing right now, though Ursol’s Vortex is still TBD as well.

Tier 6 – Yeah, this tier’s still odd. Master Shapeshifter got renamed to Dream of Cenarius, but the basic idea remains the same, and still looks likely to be clunky. Remember running out of melee to charge back in and proc a Ravage? How about having to hardcast a Regrowth on someone while at low energy so you can put up a 30% stronger Rip? I really hope it doesn’t end up being optimal to do so; I’d prefer it simply mitigates some of the DPS loss from shifting out to throw a spell. Heart of the Wild still looks a bit lame, which means that Disentanglement and it’s 20% heal will end up winning by default.

Symbiosis: We also got a ton of info on Symbiosis from a blue post:

Here’s the process:

  • The Druid will select a raid or party member and cast Symbiosis on them.
  • The target cannot be another Druid.
  • The target gains a buff that tells them what spell they have temporarily learned, and that spell temporarily appears in their spellbook, and they can drag it to an action bar.
  • The Druid’s Symbiosis button will become the ability they gained from the target class.
  • The Symbiosis link is cancelled if: the Druid clicks off the Symbiosis buff, or the Druid or the target changes continents or enters or exits an instance, or the Druid or the target changes talent specializations.
  • Symbiosis fails to cast if Symbiosis is already active on that target.
  • Symbiosis cannot be cast in combat.
  • For the non-Druid target, the icon will revert to a placeholder (uncastable) Symbiosis icon when Symbiosis ends, but will become the Symbiosis-granted ability again the next time Symbiosis is cast on that target.
  • The ability gained from Symbiosis is always something chosen to match the Druid’s specialization and the target’s combat role.
  • The target always gets the same spell unless they change combat roles. A Druid of a given specialization always gets the same spell from each different class. If there is a change of specs, there is a change of spell.
    Here are some examples of spells gained through Symbiosis. The spells shared focus on utility, cooldowns, and survival. (Adding Fireball to a Moonkin’s rotation sounds cool on paper, but wouldn’t actually be fun in the long run.)
    Balance: Chains of Ice, Mirror Image, Mass Dispel
    Feral: Feign Death (Play Dead!), Frost Nova, Soul Swap
    Guardian: Ice Trap, Fear Ward, Consecration
    Restoration: Ice Block, Hand of Sacrifice, Leap of Faith
    Hunter: Dash
    Warlock: Rejuvenation
    Holy Paladin: Rebirth
    Arms/Fury Warrior: Enrage
    Enhancement/Elemental Shaman: Solar BeamThere are a lot more coming, but we’ll keep some surprises for now, and many are still subject to change after testing.*

    *Including all of those just listed.

I think the post is pretty self-explanatory, though I’m withholding the majority of my thoughts for now until the abilities make it through the Wheel of Balance. I agree with Reygahnci in saying Soul Swap? WTF…wait if it works on bleeds then WOO!

Other reactions:


  • Feline Swiftness now increases your overall movement speed by 15%
  • Displacer Beast teleports the Druid up to 20 yards forward and activates Cat Form and Prowl.
  • Wild Charge now has a 15 sec cooldown for all variations of the charge.Non-Shapeshift no longer reduces the mana cost of your next healing spell.
    Bear Form no longer increases haste by 30%.
    Cat Form no longer causes your Ravage to be useable with no Energy cost.
    Moonkin Form no longer grants you 20 Solar or Lunar energy.
    Aquatic Form no longer reduces damage taken by 20% and duration is now 5 seconds.
    Travel Form no longer reduces damage taken by 20%
  • Nature’s Swiftness now only has a 1 minute cooldown but no longer affects Mass Entanglement.
  • *NEW* Soul of the Forest Aessina’s blessing grants a benefit which varies by your combat specialization.
    • Balance
      When a Lunar Eclipse ends you gain 20 Solar Energy and when a Solar Eclipse ends you gain 20 Lunar Energy.
    • Feral
      Your finishing moves grant 2 Energy per combo point.
    • Guardian
      Mangle now generates an additional 2 Rage.
    • Restoration
      You gain 50% haste for your next spell when you cast Swiftmend.
  • Mass Entanglement now roots a target instead of a target in the selected area. Root now lasts for 20 sec, up from 8 sec. Now affects 5 targets. Now can be used in any form.
  • Incarnation Guardian: Son of Ursoc now also affects Growl.
  • Demoralizing Roar has been renamed to Disorienting Roar and is now useable in all shapeshift forms.
  • Ursol’s Vortex can now be cast at a specific location instead of being used on the Druid. 30 yd range.
  • Bash is now a talent and has been renamed Mighty Bash Invokes the spirit of Ursoc to stun the target for 5 sec. Useable in all shapeshift forms.
  • Master Shapeshifter has been replaced with Dream of Cenarius Wrath, Starfire, Starsurge, and melee abilities increase healing done by your next healing spell by 30%.Non-instant casts of Nourish, Healing Touch, and Regrowth increase the damage done by your next damaging spell or ability by 30%.Each of these bonuses lasts 30 sec and cannot be gained more often than once every 30 sec.

General Class Abilities

  • Cat Form now also increases autoattack damage by 100% and increases movement speed by 15%
  • Feline Grace has been changed back to only reduce falling damage taken while in Cat Form.
  • Claw now causes 350% of normal damage, up from 155%
  • Bear Hug is now avaiable to all Druids at level 22.
  • Remove Corruption now removes all Poison and Curse effects on the target but has an 8 sec cooldown.
  • Hurricane no longer increases the time between enemy attacks by 20%
  • Innervate regenerates 10%(up from 5%) of the caster’s maximum mana over 10 seconds and an additional 10%(down from 15%) if cast on self.
  • Maim now causes 110% weapon damage in addition to the stun.
  • Symbiosis may not be cast on other Druids and the effect is lost if the linked targets are too far apart. 6 sec cast time.

Balance

  • Euphoria now also procs off of Starsurge.
  • Eclipse has been slightly reworked. It now causes Wrath to refresh the duration on Sunfire while in Solar Eclipse and Starfire to refresh the duration on Moonfire while in Lunar Eclipse. In addition, Lunar Eclipse transforms your Hurricane into Arcane Storm.
  • Moonkin Form now increases Arcane and Nature damage dealt by 10%, down from 20%
  • Insect Swarm now increases the damage taken by 25% (down from 30%) but affects all spells.
  • Shooting Stars now has a 20% chance to trigger (up from 4%) but can only trigger from a periodic critical strike from your Moonfire or Sunfire.
  • Celestial Alignment had its bonus damage reduced by 5% but causes Moonfire to also apply the Sunfire effect. 3 minute cooldown. (Up from 2 min)
  • Total Eclipse (Mastery) increases the bonus damage from Eclipse by 20% (Up from 16%) Each point of Mastery increases the damage by an additional 2.5% (Up from 2.0%)

Guardian

  • Savage Defense reduces physical damage taken by 40% for 6 seconds. (Changed from 80% for 3 sec) 1.5 second cooldown.
  • Thrash now also causes the Weakened Blows effect. Weakened Blows reduces the physical damage caused by the affected targets by 10% for 30 sec.
  • Nature’s Guardian (Mastery) increases armor by 5.2% (Down from 9.6%) Each point of Mastery increases the armor by an additional 0.65% (Down from 1.2%)

Feral

  • Shred damage has been reduced from 540% to 425%
  • Predatory Strikes is now called Predatory Swiftness and only affects Cyclone, Entangling Roots, Healing Touch, Hibernate, or Rebirth. (Has an X% chance to trigger)
  • Thrash now also causes the Weakened Blows effect. Weakened Blows reduces the physical damage caused by the affected targets by 10% for 30 sec.
  • Ravage damage has been reduced from 950% to 750% damage.
 Posted by at 7:24 am

  119 Responses to “15 Feb updates to the Mists talent calculator, Symbiosis info”

  1. I initially thought the same about Incarnation upon seeing it but since did a bit of thinking.

    Incarnation allows Ravage to be used whenever for its duration. Ravage has a higher damage coefficient then Shred (750%+434 vs 425+246) though will lack the 20% bleeding bonus and rip increase. Combine Incarnation with Berserk and you’ve just gained a very potent burst combination.

    Situational admittedly, but I can see it being nice for fights with burst phases instead of taking a passive energy gain for the entire fight.

    • While it may have a higher damage coefficent, it also has a higher energy cost (50 energy vs 40). It is nice that the 50% crit bonus for targets above 80% is baked in. In a single target situation using this with Berserk it may do well. I still think that it’s not that amazing when compared to the 10 enegery refund on finisher.

  2. So, what is the status of Vial of Shadows at this point? I’m hearing from most of my friends (none of which are Feral Druids, but Shaman/Hunters/Rogues) that it has decreased in effectiveness for them. Has its value decreased for us as well?

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