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Xanzara's Feral Guide (7.1.5)

Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2016 9:09 am
by Xanzara
Hi guys:
My feral guide for Legion is still somewhat current as of patch 7.1.5:
http://xanzara.com/xanzarasferalguide.pdf but not all changes are in there just yet (it's coming soon).

For 7.1.5 changes please refer to this QuickSheet
http://xanzara.com/NightholdFeralQuickSheet.pdf

I appreciate any questions, comments & critique.

Re: Xanzara's Feral Guide (7.0.x)

Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2016 5:00 pm
by Elamari
Looks good. I like the flow chart thingy for the talents.

Question - is SR still the best option with its increased energy cost and shorter duration? Feels like it's moving back towards the Wotlk playstyle when SR is combined with Jagged Wounds.

Re: Xanzara's Feral Guide (7.0.x)

Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2016 5:20 pm
by Xanzara
At level 100 the Seed of Creation trinket makes Incarnation push ahead, but for 110 or without Seed - yes.

Savage Roar is roughly 8% ahead of SotF & Incarnation with current tuning and is pretty much a lock at level 110.

Re: Xanzara's Feral Guide (7.0.x)

Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2016 12:49 am
by Kittyhype
a nice guide for people who were new to feral and the old ferals who wants all informations in a clearly and smooth way :)
good job! *thumps up*

Re: Xanzara's Feral Guide (7.0.x)

Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2016 4:02 pm
by Eluu
Nice, thanks for the guide, was very helpful.

Re: Xanzara's Feral Guide (7.0.x)

Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2016 9:40 pm
by ShmooDude
Xanzara wrote:At level 100 the Seed of Creation trinket makes Incarnation push ahead, but for 110 or without Seed - yes.

Savage Roar is roughly 8% ahead of SotF & Incarnation with current tuning and is pretty much a lock at level 110.
I wonder how much of that lead will be lost if you don't have 100% uptime though. I mean sure it wins by 8% with 100% uptime. But if you ever don't have that in a fight or for whatever other reason combo points are sparse, you're gonna be wasting so much energy on 1-2 point savage roars because it now costs 40 energy.

Re: Xanzara's Feral Guide (7.0.x)

Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2016 2:52 pm
by Konungr
Elamari wrote:Looks good. I like the flow chart thingy for the talents.

Question - is SR still the best option with its increased energy cost and shorter duration? Feels like it's moving back towards the Wotlk playstyle when SR is combined with Jagged Wounds.
YES IT DOES!, I'm so Excited!

Re: Xanzara's Feral Guide (7.0.x)

Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2016 4:38 pm
by Tinderhoof
Which is funny because in WOTLK most of our damage came from shred. Bleeds made up about 30% of our damage.

Re: Xanzara's Feral Guide (7.0.x)

Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2016 2:18 pm
by Qualiti
I couldn't play during WoD due to work, so this was very appreciated.

Re: Xanzara's Feral Guide (7.0.x)

Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2016 1:30 pm
by Morghan
Tinderhoof wrote:Which is funny because in WOTLK most of our damage came from shred. Bleeds made up about 30% of our damage.

Don't forget all that ArPen :D

Re: Xanzara's Feral Guide (7.0.x)

Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2016 2:04 am
by Tinderhoof
I didn't. That's why bleeds aren't a huge portion of damage.

Re: Xanzara's Feral Guide (7.0.x)

Posted: Sat Aug 06, 2016 7:57 pm
by Ehrenfailed
Have you guys done any raid testing recently? I really wonder how we stand dmg wise and what people expect about our scaling.

Re: Xanzara's Feral Guide (7.0.x)

Posted: Sat Aug 06, 2016 7:57 pm
by Ehrenfailed
Have you guys done any raid testing recently? I really wonder how we stand dmg wise and what people expect about our scaling.

Re: Xanzara's Feral Guide (7.0.x)

Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2016 6:49 pm
by Senrye
I liked the pawn string availability from the Pawkets Guide. Is it still the same or will it be different for Legion?

Re: Xanzara's Feral Guide (7.0.x)

Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2016 6:13 pm
by Regn
Great guide, I'm extremely new to WoW so it has helped me a lot! :D

However, I have a question: is there a cookie cutter build for mythic dungeons? I've tried a few variations and I'm not sure which one I like the most. I realize different talents are better suited for certain situations and I'm confident I'll know it by heart in the future but for now I'm not a hardcore player by any means so having a cookie cutter build that fits most mythics would be nice.

Re: Xanzara's Feral Guide (7.0.x)

Posted: Sun Sep 04, 2016 7:37 am
by Acornbrain
Go to wowhead and see Tinderhoof's (a frequent contributor to this forum) guide specifically Talent Builds. He lists different 5 builds and explains each and every choice. It is a fine piece of work.

http://www.wowhead.com/guides/classes/d ... al/talents

Re: Xanzara's Feral Guide (7.0.x)

Posted: Sun Sep 04, 2016 11:49 pm
by Tinderhoof
Awww thanks.

Re: Xanzara's Feral Guide (7.0.x)

Posted: Thu Sep 08, 2016 5:42 am
by Saij
Thank you very much for the guide!
It helped me a lot.

Re: Xanzara's Feral Guide (7.0.x)

Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2016 6:12 pm
by Regn
Acornbrain wrote:.
Thanks for that, has helped me out a lot!

A quick question though: how big is the difference between SotF/Incarn/SR on single target fights? I really prefer playing with SotF but can't bring myself to do it because I'm worried I'm losing out on a decent amount of damage :/

Re: Xanzara's Feral Guide (7.0.x)

Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2016 9:35 am
by Sanju
I heard somewhere that SotF is ahead of SR once you unlock Ashamane's Bite, because you apply the extra Rip more.

And even if SotF doesn't get ahead of SR, but only on par with it, wouldn't that be favorable both in raid situations and just to make our already complex rotation a bit easier?

I can also only imagine that the current Legendary items will work better with Incarnation or SotF?
- Gloves: Would proc more if the shadow Rip is applied more often.
- Feets: The extra stacks of Predatory Swiftness would be more usable with a higher number of finishers in a fight.
- Ring: The larger Energy pool would be better with the Energy return from finishers, if used together with TF.

Please correct me if I'm wrong, and i'd also love to hear from anyone using SotF + Ashamane's Bite, if they feel they do more DPS in "real world" situations over SR. I was so stupid to take Open Wounds on the way, and in around 30k AP i will get Ashamane's Bite :-D

Personally I hate everything about SR. Always did, always will...

Re: Xanzara's Feral Guide (7.0.x)

Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2016 1:44 pm
by Xanzara
That's sadly flat out wrong. SR beats SotF single-target by something like 10% - that number is calculated with AB.

The legendaries does not meaningfully impact the talent viability of those talents either.

Re: Xanzara's Feral Guide (7.0.x)

Posted: Sat Oct 08, 2016 9:39 pm
by Sashimi
question on the Best trinkets in Twisting Winds the best/ that good? and wouldn't it only proc from LI? or since we have balance Affinity that makes are attacks range trigger it also? because if it is that good for us and im killing Mythic Spider Bird i might have to scoop this up for myself ^.^ if anyone can confirm thanks again to whoever that can shed light on this ^.^

Re: Xanzara's Feral Guide (7.0.x)

Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2016 6:07 am
by ushisan
Sashimi wrote:question on the Best trinkets in Twisting Winds the best/ that good? and wouldn't it only proc from LI? or since we have balance Affinity that makes are attacks range trigger it also? because if it is that good for us and im killing Mythic Spider Bird i might have to scoop this up for myself ^.^ if anyone can confirm thanks again to whoever that can shed light on this ^.^
I got it yesterday from heroic kill warforged, its doing around 1.5~2.0 mil total damage on average fights, another hunter got it too, and seems like mine is dealing more damage than him.

Re: Xanzara's Feral Guide (7.0.x)

Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2016 3:53 pm
by Sashimi
ushisan wrote:
Sashimi wrote:question on the Best trinkets in Twisting Winds the best/ that good? and wouldn't it only proc from LI? or since we have balance Affinity that makes are attacks range trigger it also? because if it is that good for us and im killing Mythic Spider Bird i might have to scoop this up for myself ^.^ if anyone can confirm thanks again to whoever that can shed light on this ^.^
I got it yesterday from heroic kill warforged, its doing around 1.5~2.0 mil total damage on average fights, another hunter got it too, and seems like mine is dealing more damage than him.

wow did you notice it proccing from our regular attacks with balance AFF? or just moonfire =)?

Re: Xanzara's Feral Guide (7.0.x)

Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2016 6:28 pm
by ushisan
Sashimi wrote: wow did you notice it proccing from our regular attacks with balance AFF? or just moonfire =)?
Its even procing without the balance afinity or LI, the damage from the proc isn't that great, its the flat agility on it that makes it good atm for me, 1557 agi at 875ilvl.