Trained Soldier vs Satyr

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stormstrikeFM
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Trained Soldier vs Satyr

Post by stormstrikeFM » Wed Jan 11, 2017 8:32 pm

Is it worth considering the trained soldier enchant over Satyr now that its 600 mastery
http://www.wowhead.com/item=141909/ench ... ed-soldier

2.5 procs per minute according to this aura
http://www.wowhead.com/spell=190890/mar ... dden-satyr

Anyone able to do some sims or is Satyr still coming out on top?
I typically run heavy mastery, crit with a bit of vers and try minimse my haste where i can. I have about 4-5% so the satyr PPM isn't reduced by a great deal.

Solushunz
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Re: Trained Soldier vs Satyr

Post by Solushunz » Thu Jan 12, 2017 12:31 pm

Sim'd it on my Feral.

Satyr: 530974
Soldier: 527936

I was hoping it would at least be a marginal upgrade for me, honestly. Anything to get a bit more DPS after this abysmal patch would be welcome...

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Tinderhoof
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Re: Trained Soldier vs Satyr

Post by Tinderhoof » Thu Jan 12, 2017 1:36 pm

Remember proc's of secondary stats have variable reliability. If it procs while you are not on target, or on short lived periods it's possible to waste. In general all of the new neck enchants are meant to be cheaper alternatives to the existing necks which offer benefit, but not enough to be better.

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Re: Trained Soldier vs Satyr

Post by kleipert » Fri Jan 20, 2017 11:30 am

if im not complete mistaken, the mastery enchant is permanent, so it could be worth imo^^

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Re: Trained Soldier vs Satyr

Post by Cluey » Wed Jan 25, 2017 8:46 am

kleipert wrote:if im not complete mistaken, the mastery enchant is permanent, so it could be worth imo^^
Do you have numbers for that from anywhere?
Otherwise your opinion isn't going to go very far.

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Re: Trained Soldier vs Satyr

Post by Metan » Wed Jan 25, 2017 10:08 am

and after todays 8% buff for us.. is still satyr on top?

Solushunz: can you please sim test again?

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Re: Trained Soldier vs Satyr

Post by Ghrell » Wed Jan 25, 2017 1:23 pm

ST Patchwerk
With 9% haste and Ailuro+Wildshapers:
SR+BT = Satyr ~1% more
SR+BrS = Satyr ~6% more
With 9% haste and Wildshapers+Luffa:
SR+BT = Satyr ~0.5% more
SR+BrS = Satyr ~6% more

2 Target Cleave
With 9% haste and Ailuro+Wildshapers:
SR+BT = Trained Soldier <0.3% more; <0.01% difference to main target
SR+BrS = Satyr <0.3% more; Satyr <0.6% difference to main target
With 9% haste and Wildshapers+Luffa:
SR+BT= Trained Soldier <0.3% more; <0.01% difference to main target
SR+BrS = Satyr <0.1% more; Satyr <0.3% more to main target


With less haste, no bloodlust/heroism, 3-4 Target Cleave or Luffa's AoE Trained Soldier can start to take a lead but they're already very similar in these situations. With increased haste (buffing Satyr ppm) or BrS/Swipe aoe (mastery devaluation) Satyr starts to pull away significantly.

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