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Re: Feral trinkets 7.1.5

Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2017 4:36 am
by Metan
hi all,
its morning, so time to coffee and logs

maybe its just me, but honestly, whats the point of our "end game" trinket http://www.wowhead.com/item=140802/nigh ... bonus=3514 i try to use this Frond couple time but its absolut crap. somethink around 2% of my dmg, if i got lucky he proc 2times. I dont understand, how its working, why this is soooooooo high in mr.robot. damn

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/gb ... &source=28 this should be ours top trinket? cmon.. old war is better then this

or i just look to wrong page and there is something secret dmg from this frond?

Re: Feral trinkets 7.1.5

Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2017 10:15 am
by Aliandren
1. It's high ilvl.
2. Agility is best stat.
3. You didn't test enough to draw any conclusions.

Re: Feral trinkets 7.1.5

Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2017 3:28 pm
by Oronare
Across a few raid nights it's averaged to be about 3% of my damage. I think that, depending on the fight, the BIS trinkets will be (not including legendary) draught/CoF or Draught/Nightbloom.

Re: Feral trinkets 7.1.5

Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2017 4:51 pm
by Konungr
I am praying to Alamo that Draught isn't our BiS trinket, it's such a pain in the ass, and repair bill...

Re: Feral trinkets 7.1.5

Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2017 4:42 am
by Metan
nightblooming frond still sims higher on me 875 NF > 890 DS

Re: Feral trinkets 7.1.5

Posted: Sat Feb 25, 2017 12:50 am
by Oronare
Metan wrote:nightblooming frond still sims higher on me 875 NF > 890 DS
I don't know what the % damage loss is from exchanging the static Agi on NF for the haste on DoS, but NF does *about* 3% of your total damage, on average (diminishes for non single target fights), where as draught does anywhere from 6-10% I've seen on multiple logs.

So the question is, is that exchange of Agi for Haste worth more or less than 3-7%?

Re: Feral trinkets 7.1.5

Posted: Sat Feb 25, 2017 12:47 pm
by ShmooDude
Oronare wrote:
Metan wrote:nightblooming frond still sims higher on me 875 NF > 890 DS
I don't know what the % damage loss is from exchanging the static Agi on NF for the haste on DoS, but NF does *about* 3% of your total damage, on average (diminishes for non single target fights), where as draught does anywhere from 6-10% I've seen on multiple logs.

So the question is, is that exchange of Agi for Haste worth more or less than 3-7%?
As far as I can see, the answer is no. Sure it does a relatively high percentage of your damage compared to other trinkets, but that haste on it just kills it when compared to any agility trinket.

All in my gear, trinkets ilvl 895.
Draught averages to about 7% of my damage and 685k.
Arcanogolem Digit averages about 2% and 695k.
Convergence of Fates (SR) 694k.
Entwined Elemental Foci is 695k.
Nightblooming Frond is 4% and 708k.

Now I'll grant you I have a butload of haste already (7k rating) but even still, we just don't scale well with haste. Is it viable? Sure. Is it the best? Eh, if it is it won't be by much. Though in instances of enhanced damage I could see it being stronger (tichondrius, etc).

Re: Feral trinkets 7.1.5

Posted: Wed Mar 01, 2017 8:54 am
by Kairee
Metan wrote:nightblooming frond still sims higher on me 875 NF > 890 DS
When I look at trinket list for rogues, they have a giant disclaimer saying NBF sims higher than it should. Perhaps this is also the case in your sims?

http://roguedpsguide.com/rogue-legion-wow-trinkets-pve/

Although I do see the uptime (and dmg) much higher on my sin rogue than on my feral, while the sin rogue is a little less geared than the feral (893ilvl/46 traits vs. 896ilvl/49 traits)

Re: Feral trinkets 7.1.5

Posted: Wed Mar 01, 2017 4:25 pm
by Aliandren
It probably is proccing off of something it shouldn't in simcraft for rogues.

As to the state value on trinkets, this is easy to determine. Use simcraft to find your stat weights. Multiply the weight by the trinket stat value and compare.

For me an 890 nbf grants 36133 dps from just the agility, an 895 dos grants 11221 from the haste. So the nbf has a 25k head start going into the proc damage. For me this is about 3.5%. If recursive strike is 3% and feel crazed rage 6.5%, they're even. I'd lean towards nbf in a tie so I wouldn't have to manage the on use trinket. Also it's better for fury and sin, can pass to a guildie who benefits more.

Re: Feral trinkets 7.1.5

Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2017 10:02 am
by Metan

Re: Feral trinkets 7.1.5

Posted: Fri Mar 10, 2017 11:44 am
by Aliandren
Should sim all the pairs but id guess frond draught and eye are probably top3

Re: Feral trinkets 7.1.5

Posted: Fri Mar 10, 2017 1:14 pm
by jimfro
Dude Archano is amazing for aoe, Draught and Frond for ST, and elemental foci for everything.

Re: Feral trinkets 7.1.5

Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2017 12:26 pm
by Ayleena
I was lucky enough to get the Legendary trinket last night. I know it's clearly BiS among trinkets, but is it better enough to switch out belt or gloves for it? My current trinkets are 875 Frond, 880 Draught. I also have an 875 Convergence.

I love the gloves so much I don't think I could replace them. So it comes down to belt vs. trinket. Thoughts?

Re: Feral trinkets 7.1.5

Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2017 1:48 pm
by Konungr
Ayleena wrote:I was lucky enough to get the Legendary trinket last night. I know it's clearly BiS among trinkets, but is it better enough to switch out belt or gloves for it? My current trinkets are 875 Frond, 880 Draught. I also have an 875 Convergence.

I love the gloves so much I don't think I could replace them. So it comes down to belt vs. trinket. Thoughts?

I haven't gotten the trinket, or simmed it yet, but from my understanding the Legendary trinket isn't very good for Feral...

Re: Feral trinkets 7.1.5

Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2017 2:00 pm
by Ayleena
Shoot, and here I was all excited when it dropped last night. I guess, perhaps, it'd be useful on trash and on bosses with trash, like Skorp and Spellblade?

Re: Feral trinkets 7.1.5

Posted: Fri Mar 17, 2017 7:23 am
by Batlecruiser
I got legy trinket in the first week of 7.1.5 and simmed it in every legendary combination and trinket always wins with frond until you convergance (hc+bonus).

Re: Feral trinkets 7.1.5

Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2017 7:06 am
by Myxxin
I have luffa, signet and Kiljaeden and every combination with the trinket sims lower than luffa + coyote.
Is the trinket really that bad?
http://eu.battle.net/wow/de/character/a ... xin/simple