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Feral trinkets 7.1.5

Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2017 8:47 pm
by stormstrikeFM

Re: Feral trinkets 7.1.5

Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2017 10:35 pm
by Nich
http://www.icy-veins.com/wow/feral-drui ... st-in-slot has a trinket comparison that's been updated, FWIW.

Re: Feral trinkets 7.1.5

Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2017 8:41 am
by Alindh
Nich wrote:http://www.icy-veins.com/wow/feral-drui ... st-in-slot has a trinket comparison that's been updated, FWIW.
That list does not show Convergence with an Incarnation build if I understood it correctly, according to Xan it should be on top with a large margin.
Is there any sims like these with convergence + inc anywhere?

Re: Feral trinkets 7.1.5

Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2017 5:53 pm
by Dewgy
I was under the impression that a inc + convergence spec came very close to savage roar + drought of souls spec but ultimately didn't beat it by like a few percent.

Re: Feral trinkets 7.1.5

Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2017 6:44 pm
by Dinosawr
How long does a fight need to be for Convergence to be worth using? 3PPMs, so 15 secs off the CD every minute... I'm guessing around the 6:30 length is when it starts to shine? really rough mental math there, someone please correct me if you've got tighter numbers. I was using it all last night in normal nighthold, and never got an extra berserk/incarn out of it because fights were so short.


Edit - nevermind, just read it's 6.72 ppm for feral druids...would change the math quite a bit. But I never saw it actually decrease my incarnation cd. might be bugged?

Re: Feral trinkets 7.1.5

Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2017 9:52 am
by Mathoran
Dinosawr wrote:How long does a fight need to be for Convergence to be worth using? 3PPMs, so 15 secs off the CD every minute... I'm guessing around the 6:30 length is when it starts to shine? really rough mental math there, someone please correct me if you've got tighter numbers. I was using it all last night in normal nighthold, and never got an extra berserk/incarn out of it because fights were so short.


Edit - nevermind, just read it's 6.72 ppm for feral druids...would change the math quite a bit. But I never saw it actually decrease my incarnation cd. might be bugged?

From Discord

"IMPORTANT: The bug with Convergence of Fates not affecting Incarnation still persist onto live. At the moment you must use SR when using that trinket. It is roughly equal to BTI at the same item level when using SR builds and slightly stronger on AoE. This pin will be updated when this bug is fixed."

Re: Feral trinkets 7.1.5

Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2017 9:28 pm
by Batlecruiser
Maybe it is not intended to work with Incarnation? Did not even work on ptr either..

Re: Feral trinkets 7.1.5

Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2017 5:11 am
by Monopedia
If it worked with ret paladin and the crusade talent I'd be surprised its not intended to work with incarnation. The 2 talents replace a cooldown with another cooldown.

Re: Feral trinkets 7.1.5

Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2017 9:48 am
by Dinosawr
It doesn't work with Monk's Serenity either. Not sure why it works for both of Pally's talent options. I wish Blizz would confirm/deny whether it's intended to not work for Druids/Monk's with their talented option.

Tried it more last night and with Berserk it takes it from a 3 min CD to ~2 mins. Pretty nice.

Re: Feral trinkets 7.1.5

Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2017 6:06 pm
by Eqúinox
Dinosawr wrote:It doesn't work with Monk's Serenity either. Not sure why it works for both of Pally's talent options. I wish Blizz would confirm/deny whether it's intended to not work for Druids/Monk's with their talented option.

Tried it more last night and with Berserk it takes it from a 3 min CD to ~2 mins. Pretty nice.
Saw this other day on mmo - "Convergence of Fates: now activates 70% less often for Retribution Paladins (other specs unaffected)."

Re: Feral trinkets 7.1.5

Posted: Sat Jan 21, 2017 2:02 am
by Bralek

Re: Feral trinkets 7.1.5

Posted: Sat Jan 21, 2017 6:59 am
by Oronare
I've been testing an 875 Nightblooming Frond and it might just be me, but this trinket sucks. On a dummy it might do say, 6% damage, but even on the two bosses which increase time/give haste (Elisande and the Arcane elemental) it did around 1% total damage, I'm fairly sure my 875 Eye of Guarm (mastery) is way better as it gives around 8% mastery.

Re: Feral trinkets 7.1.5

Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2017 12:53 am
by Squanchy
So -45% to the procrate for convergence of fates for incarnation.

I hadn't looked at the numbers. Is it still a valid choice to go incarnation with it? Or would it be better just to use it with regular berserk and savage roar?

Re: Feral trinkets 7.1.5

Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2017 5:06 am
by Kittyhype
Hey guys
Do u think its viable to play with incarn, Moment of clairty and sabertooth? Even just when u have 4p set and CoF trinket
But in my opinion its interresting

Re: Feral trinkets 7.1.5

Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2017 11:45 pm
by Sashimi
Squanchy wrote:So -45% to the procrate for convergence of fates for incarnation.

I hadn't looked at the numbers. Is it still a valid choice to go incarnation with it? Or would it be better just to use it with regular berserk and savage roar?
would like to know as well

Re: Feral trinkets 7.1.5

Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2017 10:06 am
by Madsun
Had a look over my logs, pure ST the NBF is about 4% of my dps on pure single target and drops down to about 1.7% with a bit too much target swap. Matches my sims almost exactly.. seems laclusture if you look at 4% but 4% of 535k is 17k dps just for the proc.. has anyone been able to test it with the ring from CoS?

Re: Feral trinkets 7.1.5

Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2017 4:43 pm
by Tinderhoof
Sashimi wrote:
Squanchy wrote:So -45% to the procrate for convergence of fates for incarnation.

I hadn't looked at the numbers. Is it still a valid choice to go incarnation with it? Or would it be better just to use it with regular berserk and savage roar?
would like to know as well
It's a valid choice. Will it do better than SR? I wouldn't count on it.

Re: Feral trinkets 7.1.5

Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2017 10:01 am
by Metan
hi all,
yesterday i loot heroic http://www.wowhead.com/item=140794/arca ... bonus=3443 and now i see some numbers on logs.

On ST Krosus it does 2,27% (4,22m)
On ST Star augur 2,97% (6,75m)

and with more aoe fight

Tichondrius 5,14% (13.82m)
Spellblade Aluriel 2,85% (6,30m)

its not something extra cool but if i compare this numbers with http://www.wowhead.com/item=140802/nigh ... bonus=3514 from other feral, on krosus something around 7-4% and Tichondrius something around 3-1%.

so in the end of the day Arcanogolem its pretty nice trinket.

now i dont know is this 885 http://www.wowhead.com/item=140794/arca ... bonus=3443 better then http://www.wowhead.com/item=140796/entw ... bonus=3514 875 with socket? I dont know, how to compare this two trinkets.

Re: Feral trinkets 7.1.5

Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2017 5:41 pm
by Oronare
Tinderhoof wrote:
Sashimi wrote:
Squanchy wrote:So -45% to the procrate for convergence of fates for incarnation.

I hadn't looked at the numbers. Is it still a valid choice to go incarnation with it? Or would it be better just to use it with regular berserk and savage roar?
would like to know as well
It's a valid choice. Will it do better than SR? I wouldn't count on it.
Sims say incarn beats SR but like you said, it doesn't feel like it should beat it, will have to do more testing. Doing star augur Berserk is up a LOT more than using incarn, it's like night and day.

Re: Feral trinkets 7.1.5

Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2017 6:48 pm
by Tinderhoof
The thing about Incarnation is it's usefulness in sims is always dictated by fight length. The more time between the last use the poorer the result. The other issue is if a fight makes you hold DPS, or have long times off of the boss that will prevent a 2nd or 3rd use of Incarnation make a HUGE difference. SR always gives the same amount of damage though out the encounter and is more consistent. It just doesn't help as much if there are huge burst windows which need extra damage.

Re: Feral trinkets 7.1.5

Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2017 12:14 am
by Nich
Metan wrote:hi all,
yesterday i loot heroic http://www.wowhead.com/item=140794/arca ... bonus=3443 and now i see some numbers on logs.

On ST Krosus it does 2,27% (4,22m)
On ST Star augur 2,97% (6,75m)

and with more aoe fight

Tichondrius 5,14% (13.82m)
Spellblade Aluriel 2,85% (6,30m)

its not something extra cool but if i compare this numbers with http://www.wowhead.com/item=140802/nigh ... bonus=3514 from other feral, on krosus something around 7-4% and Tichondrius something around 3-1%.

so in the end of the day Arcanogolem its pretty nice trinket.

now i dont know is this 885 http://www.wowhead.com/item=140794/arca ... bonus=3443 better then http://www.wowhead.com/item=140796/entw ... bonus=3514 875 with socket? I dont know, how to compare this two trinkets.
I got lucky with a titanforged one (895 or something) the other week, and haven't really used the trinket since they buffed it's proc. For me, it'd be replacing a stat-stick mastery trinket, which seemed more reliable than my having to face a specific direction.

Re: Feral trinkets 7.1.5

Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2017 3:13 am
by Metan
Nich wrote:
Metan wrote:hi all,
yesterday i loot heroic http://www.wowhead.com/item=140794/arca ... bonus=3443 and now i see some numbers on logs.

On ST Krosus it does 2,27% (4,22m)
On ST Star augur 2,97% (6,75m)

and with more aoe fight

Tichondrius 5,14% (13.82m)
Spellblade Aluriel 2,85% (6,30m)

its not something extra cool but if i compare this numbers with http://www.wowhead.com/item=140802/nigh ... bonus=3514 from other feral, on krosus something around 7-4% and Tichondrius something around 3-1%.

so in the end of the day Arcanogolem its pretty nice trinket.

now i dont know is this 885 http://www.wowhead.com/item=140794/arca ... bonus=3443 better then http://www.wowhead.com/item=140796/entw ... bonus=3514 875 with socket? I dont know, how to compare this two trinkets.
I got lucky with a titanforged one (895 or something) the other week, and haven't really used the trinket since they buffed it's proc. For me, it'd be replacing a stat-stick mastery trinket, which seemed more reliable than my having to face a specific direction.
i used http://www.wowhead.com/item=140794/arca ... bonus=3443 still and he goes good. on botanist 4% dmg. this is the same amount as http://www.wowhead.com/item=140802/nigh ... bonus=3514.

this trinkets are wery close to each other

Re: Feral trinkets 7.1.5

Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2017 7:42 am
by Metan
Hi, iam trying to find some comparsion between

http://www.wowhead.com/item=140796/entw ... bonus=3514
and
http://www.wowhead.com/item=133644/meme ... bonus=1826

if look for buff uptime
there is foci https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/hp ... &source=18
i see 20% Arcane Enchant + 14,60% Frost Enchant + 7,30% Fiery Enchant. This is 41,9% buff in 4:33 botanist fight

and there is memento https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/WR ... s&source=7
here is 12,35% Howl of Ingvar + 12,08% Wail of Svala + 7,47% Dirge of Angerboda. This is 31,9% buff in 4:25 botanis fight

so? the foci has better proc time, its right? or iam wrong?

Re: Feral trinkets 7.1.5

Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2017 1:04 pm
by ShmooDude
Two 4 minute fights aren't anywhere near enough to determine something like uptime.
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/p7 ... slate=true for example has only a ~19% uptime for EEF. Honestly I think that person you linked with the EEF got really lucky but I don't know for certain.

According to simcraft, EEF has ~24% uptime and MoA has ~22.5% uptime (in my gear).

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/F2 ... type=auras My boss fights for an entire night of farm. I got ~27% uptime but MoA procs off of other players dying so unless no one is dying its going to have a higher uptime than simcraft. If you can find something like that for EEF I'm betting it'll be similar to simcraft.

If you really want to test it, go attack a target dummy for like 30-60 minutes (you don't have to actively attack it, just autoattack, making sure you don't auto-logout from going afk). That should give you a better idea. Since its RPPM, it doesn't really matter how many actions you do and the quick attack speed of our auto-attack should provide more than enough opportunities to proc it.

Re: Feral trinkets 7.1.5

Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2017 5:23 am
by Metan
thanks for that.

with 880 bloodthirsty i test 870 Memento vs 875+Socket Foci /// 17min on dummy auto attack. 17min is not 30 but its not 4min so.....

Memento 870(4850stats - 8sec) - proc 21,5% (33% bloodthirsty)
Ele Foci 875 (4450stats - 20sec) - proc 27,5% (39% bloodthirsty)