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Post by Bearnakked » Tue Sep 11, 2012 10:58 pm

Currently getting ready for the 2nd week of Mop with putting a preraid bis list together, I've been looking all over for one and currently have not seen one. I've seen quite a few for Guardians. What are your thoughts on getting ready for Mop raiding gear wise?!?


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Post by Alaron » Wed Sep 12, 2012 1:16 am

I haven't put together a preraid BIS list because, honestly, there's really very little differentiation in items at the preraid level, and if you're serious enough about the game to care about that little bit of difference, you're likely in a guild that will clear normal-mode MV with no sweat anyway, making preraid gearing moot. Just look at my overall list and grab the highest ilvl stuff you can.

(I don't like BiS lists. Heroic ones are a bit silly because you'll typically have full-cleared several times by the time you get it. Anything beneath that is an arbitrary cutoff because who knows where your guild is at?)

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Post by Sibylle » Wed Sep 12, 2012 1:36 am

I'm getting "Item not found" with every link on that list. Is that working as intended? Apologies if you mentioned it somewhere, it's early morning here and I haven't had tea yet ;)

In any case, thanks for the list!
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Post by Alaron » Wed Sep 12, 2012 2:09 am

Either wowhead or Blizzard's fault; looks like a ton of data got removed from the MoP branch. Looks okay on the live branch, so let me repoint the links from mop.wowhead to www.wowhead. (Thank you find/replace: 190 links repointed!) Let me know if that works now.

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Post by Konungr » Wed Sep 12, 2012 7:40 am

Alaron wrote:Either wowhead or Blizzard's fault; looks like a ton of data got removed from the MoP branch. Looks okay on the live branch, so let me repoint the links from mop.wowhead to http://www.wowhead. (Thank you find/replace: 190 links repointed!) Let me know if that works now.
Yeah, When 5.0.5 went Live yesteday, everything reverted to Live. This is typical of WoWHead, and I believe they pull their Item information from the WoW API somehow.

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Post by Dysheki » Wed Sep 12, 2012 10:02 am

Alaron wrote:I haven't put together a preraid BIS list because, honestly, there's really very little differentiation in items at the preraid level, and if you're serious enough about the game to care about that little bit of difference, you're likely in a guild that will clear normal-mode MV with no sweat anyway, making preraid gearing moot. Just look at my overall list and grab the highest ilvl stuff you can.

(I don't like BiS lists. Heroic ones are a bit silly because you'll typically have full-cleared several times by the time you get it. Anything beneath that is an arbitrary cutoff because who knows where your guild is at?)
To be fair I think it's still a valid question in terms of what items you would prefer. If you go in and just grab whatever AGI gear is available just because it's available you may be taking things from people that may be most beneficial for them. Granted a lot has changed from years ago because now you basically only want to know what off-tier piece you'll be getting and you don't have a choice in much else, but to know what gives you the biggest bang that you should look out for is always a great thing to know and beneficial to the raid.

Anyhow, good to see more regular posts on the forums! Expansion days are near!

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Post by Sibylle » Wed Sep 12, 2012 1:22 pm

All links working now, thanks! Shiny purplez!
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Post by aggixx » Tue Sep 18, 2012 11:08 pm

Just finished working on my PreRaid profiles for SimulationCraft, here's what I ended up with:

"5-man Heroic" BiS, this is without any "Tier 1 only" profession items or BoEs:
head=windblast_helm,id=81283,gems=agile_primal_160agi_180agi,reforge=haste_exp
neck=scorched_scarlet_key,id=81564
shoulders=doubtridden_shoulderguards,id=81071,gems=160agi_60exp,enchant=520agi_100crit,reforge=exp_mastery
back=windsoaked_drape,id=81123,enchant=180hit,reforge=crit_hit
chest=nimbletoe_chestguard,id=81080,gems=80agi_160hit_60agi,enchant=80all,reforge=haste_mastery
wrists=lightblade_bracer,id=81700,enchant=180agi,reforge=crit_hit
hands=hound_trainers_gloves,id=81695,enchant=170mastery,addon=synapse_springs_mark_ii,reforge=exp_hit
waist=icewrath_belt,id=82823,gems=160agi,reforge=crit_hit
legs=wallbreaker_legguards,id=81091,gems=160agi_60mastery,enchant=285agi_165crit,reforge=mastery_hit
feet=dashing_strike_treads,id=81688,gems=80agi_160mastery_60agi,enchant=140agi,reforge=crit_hit
finger1=pulled_grenade_pin,id=81191,reforge=crit_hit
finger2=signet_of_dancing_jade,id=81128,reforge=crit_hit
trinket1=searing_words,id=81267,reforge=crit_mastery
trinket2=windswept_pages,id=81125
main_hand=snowdrifts_bladed_staff,id=81108,enchant=dancing_steel,reforge=mastery_hit
Pre-Raid BiS with profession items, this personally what I'll be aiming to achieve as soon as possible. I decided to opt out of World Drops and obviously item level 496 crafted items.
head=agile_retinal_armor,id=77534,gems=agile_primal_600mastery_600exp_180agi
neck=scorched_scarlet_key,id=81564,reforge=hit_mastery
shoulders=doubtridden_shoulderguards,id=81071,gems=160agi_60exp,enchant=520agi_100crit,reforge=exp_mastery
back=windsoaked_drape,id=81123,enchant=180hit,reforge=crit_hit
chest=nimbletoe_chestguard,id=81080,gems=80agi_160hit_60agi,enchant=80all,reforge=haste_mastery
wrists=lightblade_bracer,id=81700,enchant=180agi,reforge=crit_hit
hands=hound_trainers_gloves,id=81695,enchant=170mastery,addon=synapse_springs_mark_ii
waist=icewrath_belt,id=82823,gems=160agi,reforge=crit_hit
legs=wallbreaker_legguards,id=81091,gems=160agi_60mastery,enchant=285agi_165crit
feet=dashing_strike_treads,id=81688,gems=80agi_160mastery_60agi,enchant=140agi,reforge=crit_hit
finger1=pulled_grenade_pin,id=81191,reforge=crit_hit
finger2=signet_of_dancing_jade,id=81128,reforge=crit_mastery
trinket1=relic_of_xuen,id=79328
trinket2=zen_alchemist_stone,id=75274
main_hand=inscribed_tiger_staff,id=79343,enchant=dancing_steel,reforge=crit_hit
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Post by Yriss » Wed Sep 19, 2012 2:33 am

Sadly, we won't be able to craft inscribed tiger staff before heroic raids at the beginning of mop...
You need 20 scrolls of wisdom (bop), and you can't do more than once a day ... so you won't be able to craft this staff before october 14 at best (we should start heroic mode on october9/10), and these scrolls are used for darkmoon cards too :( (20 scrolls = potentially 2.5 trinkets, darkmoon faire ends october13 )
But we haven't a lot of choice after that, only 1 staff on spirit kings ... Not a single epic drop for us on heroic dunjon ... (others class have at least a weapon 476, and it seems they have a not so bad drop rate )
You can add for your pre-raid stuff chest and gloves 476 from leatherworking, they should be able to reach [email protected] lotus after 8-9 days ( http://mop.wowhead.com/spell=124619 and http://mop.wowhead.com/spell=124620 ) ... if you find a leatherworker with enough spirit of harmony ...

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Post by aggixx » Wed Sep 19, 2012 11:40 am

Thanks for the info. I was aware that the Tiger Staff required scrolls that were made on a daily cooldown, but I believe last time I checked it wasn't anywhere near 20! I'll leave it in the profile, but that sure is lame. I know I saw the Greyshadow items at some point but for some reason I thought they were 496 not 476! Will add those in when I get the chance.

Edit: Was browsing TIB and saw someone saying how guardian BiS has a lot of Honor gear in it, turns out Honor gear is kind of OP, so I added some in. Here's the updated list:
head=agile_retinal_armor,id=77534,gems=agile_primal_600mastery_600exp_180agi
neck=scorched_scarlet_key,id=81564,reforge=hit_mastery
shoulders=dreadful_gladiators_dragonhide_spaulders,id=84381,gems=80agi_160mastery_60agi,enchant=200agi_100crit,reforge=haste_mastery
back=dreadful_gladiators_cape_of_prowess,id=84346,enchant=180hit,reforge=hit_exp
chest=greyshadow_chestguard,id=85823,gems=80agi_160mastery_80agi_160mastery_120agi,enchant=80all,reforge=crit_exp
wrists=dreadful_gladiators_armwraps_of_accuracy,id=84461,enchant=180agi,reforge=crit_mastery
hands=greyshadow_gloves,id=85824,gems=160agi_60crit,enchant=170mastery,addon=synapse_springs_mark_ii,reforge=crit_hit
waist=dreadful_gladiators_waistband_of_cruelty,id=84456,gems=80agi_160hit_160agi_60agi,reforge=crit_exp
legs=dreadful_gladiators_dragonhide_legguards,id=84379,gems=160agi_160agi,enchant=285agi_165crit,reforge=haste_mastery
feet=dashing_strike_treads,id=81688,gems=80agi_160mastery_60agi,enchant=140agi,reforge=crit_exp
finger1=dreadful_gladiators_ring_of_accuracy,id=84352,reforge=hit_exp
finger2=pulled_grenade_pin,id=81191,reforge=crit_exp
trinket1=relic_of_xuen,id=79328
trinket2=zen_alchemist_stone,id=75274
main_hand=inscribed_tiger_staff,id=79343,enchant=dancing_steel,reforge=crit_exp
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Post by Yriss » Wed Sep 19, 2012 1:18 pm

i just double check directly on beta, and i confirm this: 20 scrolls for this staff :(
It's a pretty solid choice but for those starting to [email protected], we won't be able to have this staff at the beginning of heroic mode :/

496 crafts come from raids, patterns drop from trashes/bosses, and blood spirits come from disenchanting raid weapons, so we won't be able to have these immediatly too ^^ (perhaps gloves before heart of fear progress, if there is a feral on our raid, *cross fingers* )

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Post by Sorcerer » Wed Sep 19, 2012 1:57 pm

Best bet with staff + trinket is to have Scribe alt meaning double scrolls/day ... Which currently I am gonna do over weekend.

Any idea what min level is required to learn max level in proff?

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Post by aggixx » Wed Sep 19, 2012 2:29 pm

Sorcerer wrote:Best bet with staff + trinket is to have Scribe alt meaning double scrolls/day ... Which currently I am gonna do over weekend.

Any idea what min level is required to learn max level in proff?
Scrolls of Wisdom are BoP. And I'm pretty sure the answer to your question is either 80 or 85.

I think the best choice is have an alt with Inscription and max it as soon as possible (or at least enough to make Scrolls, whatever that is), that way you can have different professions that you don't have to sit on for 20 days just to get a pre-raid reward out of on your main.
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Post by Yriss » Wed Sep 19, 2012 3:03 pm

i have 3 scribes (had only one but i leveled 2 more for mop ... even if guild bank will buy us cards if possible, if we can make them it's better ^^ and i'll try to save scrolls on an alt for this staff ). You can start to make scrolls at 525, so it's possible day1 on alts, you'll need just around 15 herbs for inks. To reach 525 you need to be at least 75, so i guess you have to be 80+ to learn zen inscription

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Post by Terias » Sat Sep 29, 2012 7:20 pm

Out of curiosity, since you're already wearing 2 of the pvp set, don't you think it'd be a dps up to drop 2 of those higher ilvl items and get the free ravage set bonus for a while?

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Post by Konungr » Sat Sep 29, 2012 7:37 pm

Yriss wrote:i have 3 scribes (had only one but i leveled 2 more for mop ... even if guild bank will buy us cards if possible, if we can make them it's better ^^ and i'll try to save scrolls on an alt for this staff ). You can start to make scrolls at 525, so it's possible day1 on alts, you'll need just around 15 herbs for inks. To reach 525 you need to be at least 75, so i guess you have to be 80+ to learn zen inscription
Scrolls are BoP... /cry. We have 7 Scribes in my raid team, 4 mains and 3 alts, but because they are BoP we can't crank out the Pre-Raid BiS Staves like we were planning. /sigh

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Post by Sorcerer » Sat Sep 29, 2012 10:08 pm

You forgot guys about Scribe weekly quest in arboretum jade forest. Quite costy couse of spirit of harmony 1-5 but 1 of the quest gives extra 2 scrolls. This week is 1 scroll for 5 harmony, lets pray for wed reset.

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Post by Sorcerer » Tue Oct 02, 2012 8:31 am

About trinkets and those who did the calcs for 463 and readers.

The sheet is completly WRONG regarding 463 trinkets, Especially http://www.wowhead.com/item=81265#comments is, I think completly not working in SimC and to me, it looks like a best trinket with either of the other 2 http://www.wowhead.com/item=81267 http://www.wowhead.com/item=81125#comments

The on use portion macroed into TF with a DoC spec should shine, even considering it gives the least 'passive' agi of all 3 trinkets.

It is safe to assume that you can easily SimC http://www.wowhead.com/item=81265#comments by puttin only the passive trinket stats and enabling ENGINEERING + 2 other proff. I just hope the Engi glove enchants are syncing properly in Simc with TF / TF + DoC Rip continued by BITW.

If someone would care to SimC it, do it. I do not have much time but my words should be close to what it should like.

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The Alaron gear sheet & Etapixx on mmo should be fixed accordingly (No trinket is better than equiped http://www.wowhead.com/item=81265#comments ?!)
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Post by Konungr » Tue Oct 02, 2012 8:41 am

And this is based on what?

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Post by Sorcerer » Tue Oct 02, 2012 8:45 am

The proc doesnt seem to work in SimC at all when I tried, only the passive. I guess you can do it by having 3 proffesions but it is not possible to set it up and account for trinket proc as an engineering glove enchant + 2 DPS proffs.

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Post by Tinderhoof » Tue Oct 02, 2012 12:39 pm

Why do you think this? The other two trinkets have proc's as well? That said I tend to agree with your guess about the on use being pretty good. The agi proc one is only chance on Crit, which we have much less of these days, so the proc's will tend to happen less often. I am not sure about the passive agi one though.

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